>>> now to the contender. enjoying a a well-timed surge in the polls, rick santorum . chuck todd went one on one with rick santorum today. chuck joins us now from ames . chuck, good evening.
>> reporter: good evening, harry. you know, every long shot presidential candidate comes to iowa hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. most of them fail, but rick santorum may yjust buck the odds. rick santorum doing what he's been doing for the better part of a year. today it's ames for an iowa state bowl game party. we caught with him at his iowa headquarters. not the picture of a campaign polls indicate is surging. what took so long?
>> i said from the beginning it would be hard work and a message and messenger and experience.
>> reporter: he admits it was frustrating at times and he regrets letter that show.
>> i felt like i needed to buy a ticket to be at the debates sometimes. that probably didn't serve me well to have that kind of feeling.
>> reporter: santorum struggled for months to get traction here.
>> can we win? how many times i got that and all the volunteers. we love you, but nobody in the media talks about you.
>> reporter: now he's testing arguments against mitt romney if he becomes the conservative alternative.
>> i don't think a liberal massachusetts governor is going to come and be able to go and relate to folks a as well as the guy who grew up as the grandson of a coal miner.
>> reporter: he takes issue that romney is more electable.
>> he has no track record of attracting reagan democrats . that's how you win the industrial mid western states that are necessary. reagan democrats , that's my bread and butter .
>> reporter: santorum pushed back on accusations that he was a pork barrel senator.
>> i don't think anyone can look at my record in congress and say i was a go along, get along guy.
>> reporter: he tried to draw a line between personal beliefs and governing.
>> just because something i believe is immoral doesn't mean it should be made a criminal defense .
>> reporter: he said his belief in marriage isn't something he should set aside.
>> marriage i think has to be one thing for everybody. you can't have 50 different marriage laws in this country. you have to have one marriage law .
>> reporter: our new nbc marist poll is the second one this week to show santorum moving closer to the top. santorum may not be done surging. while romney leads the entire field, the three candidates that have more committed supporters who say they are not going to waive on caucus night are all above romney . romney 's support may be soft. gingrich slipped to fifth place. he's now only second to ron paul among iowa republicans who say he would be an unacceptable republican nominee.
>> still plenty undecided out there. in ames tonight, thank you very much, chuck todd .
>>> rick santorum will be david gregory 's exclusive guest sunday morning on "meet the press."
Source: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/45829537/
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